LGF post #41 Yet MORE Abu Gharib BULLSHIT!
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#524 Short Fat Corporal 5/1/2004 02:37AM PST

Somebody tell me how these dumbasses are humiliated when they're wearing hoods?

"Oh abdul, I recognized you by the wobble of your sanddune buttocks"

No mistake, the soldiers that did it ought to be punished, FOR BREAKING THE RULES OF CONDUCT, and I understand that it's in the works.

But as far as a serious issue of "culutral humiliation", jeesus, get a grip.

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#529 Short Fat Corporal 5/1/2004 03:50AM PST

"Anyone who makes excuses for these people is also a disgrace."

I don't recall too many people here excusing the soldiers. They broke the rules; they will be punished.

BUT - the magnitude of their sins is rather small...

did they physically assault the prisoners? no
did they rape the prisoner's children in front of them? no
did they kill the prisoners? no

They made fun of the prisoners. Huge sin against mankind, ooooh it breaks my heart.

The troops deserve office hours with restriction to barracks, any NCO's involved should lose a stripe (for proven irresponsibility), and any officers involved should do a "for the good of the service" resignation.

But jail time? Bullshit.


#530 Short Fat Corporal 5/1/2004 03:54AM PST

You know, after reading about ANOTHER "infidel" being murdered, I could even give less of a damn about the "jihadis" shame.

Shit, this should be a standard punishment for these bastards, if they hate it so much.

Should make them shave each other's asses in front of a battalion of female MP's, film it, and broadcast it all over the whole ME.
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#541 Short Fat Corporal 5/1/2004 06:07AM PST

Anybody familiar with Col. Ed Lansdale? He helped break a Communist revolt in the Phillipines with the aid of a little psy-ops.

They would capure the last man of a rebel patrol, kill him, puncture his neck as if he had been bitten, and drain his blood. They would then place the corpse on the trail for his buddies to find. The Communists were mainly part of the Huk "tribe", which had a vampire myth, the asuang.

Lansdale understood the mentality of his foe, and used it against them.

These paticular soldiers should be punished for violating orders, but perhaps we should think of humiliating these jihadis and baathists. We should show them, w/o benefit of hoods, being ordered around by female MPs. We should show them scrubbing dirty shitters with toothbrushes. We should show them being showered in pig's blood. We should show them being humiliated.

We don't understand their culture? Maybe they need to understand our culture, in which you are not allowed to kill somebody just because they don't worship your god.

They are NOT prisoners of war, and DO NOT deserve treatment as such.

Go here for the Laws of Land Warfare.


Their SOLE rights are as defined:
"446. Treatment of Detainees
Protected persons accused of offences shall be detained in the occupied country, and if convicted they shall serve their sentences therein. They shall, if possible, be separated from other detainees and shall enjoy conditions of food and hygiene which will be sufficient to keep them in good health, and which will be at least equal to those obtaining in prisons in the occupied country.

They shall receive the medical attention required by their state of health.

They shall also have the right to receive any spiritual assistance which they may require.

Women shall be confined in separate quarters and shall be under the direct supervision of women.

Proper regard shall be paid to the special treatment due to minors.

Protected persons who are detained shall have the right to be visited by delegates of the Protecting Power and of the International Committee of the Red Cross, in accordance with the provisions of Article 143.

Such persons shall have the right to receive at least one relief parcel monthly. (GC, art. 76.)"

There is not jack shit in there about treating them with the least modicum of dignity. Has they followed the Laws of War, it would be different.

Let them seethe, and let them fear our justice.
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#547 Short Fat Corporal 5/1/2004 08:59AM PST

#544 Realwest

I respect your opinion.

But I disagree with it. Humiliating terrorists is not torturing them; it is not executing them; it is not performing collective punishment on their families These detainees are not members of a legitimate army, and have no rights besides those listed.

By humiliation, we have another punishment option besides allowing these thugs to become martyrs. Understand that I am not saying we round up random Iraqis to do this to. After we squeeze out intel from prisoners, we make 'em look like trash to their people. They might join up to be shaheed, but not to be "dishonored".

As to what we as a people are capable of; I have a little parable. As a kid, I was, of course, short. So I got picked on sometimes. I didn't like my friends bailing me out of things, so I took a little martial arts training. Then I got picked on, because while I had the training to deal with the situation, I didn't have the will. I was afraid I would hurt somebody. Finally, somebody tried to punk me in front of the girl I wanted most in life. I finally realized that power is useless without direction. Did I want to be picked on, or not? So I bounced the guy's head off the ground a couple of times, and nobody bothered me after that. Do we as a country want to to be the big guy everyone picks on coz they know he won't fight?

Let me restate my earlier point; humliation is not a human rights violation in the case of non-POW's. If jihadis don't want to be humiliated, they might think about reforming the ROP. Humiliation is not even that great of a personal intrusion. It would make a great PSYOP tool. A punch to the throat, perhaps.

These paticular soldiers should be punished for violating procedure, but I don't see lasting damage to the prisoners.

Y'all have a good day. The nightshift is OVER!!  ¶ 6:17 AM 0 comments

  LGF post #40 #98 Short Fat Corporal 3/15/2004 09:01AM PST

I had to think about this before I posted.

First off, I will re-express my sorrow to the Spanish for the recent losses to terrorism there.

I would also like to thank the Spanish for the support we have recieved from them so far in the WOT.

I would doubly thank the Poles for their ongoing support. If anyone remembers, it was Polish support that saved Vienna from Muslim crusades in the 1600's.

BUT, cowardice is the norm in human behavior. I reluctantly release the Spanish from their responsibility. I will also reluctantly release the Poles and the British,etc, etc, once Al-Queada steps up to attack them in their homelands. I don't expect any better from them (and I will step back from slurring them as Europeans who can't stomach the good fight, which is my usual contention), as I don't expect any better from a large part of my own countrymen.

What this shows is the absolute necessity of sticking it out on the part of the Bush administration, REGARDLESS of the political positions of the Europeans, or our own internal foes. If the Bush admin falls to political BS this election, then every serviceman and policeman, as well as every one else that knows how to carry a rifle in the defense of freedom, is going to have to consider their own duties.

Only an willfully ignorant person can't see the menace posed to our liberty. As far as I am concerned, someone that blinds themselves to that danger has NO business having any part making policy on my behalf.  ¶ 6:12 AM 0 comments

  Where and When To Post I quit posting here for a few reasons.
1. posting did nothing to alleviate my anger with the trends that are destroying our country
2. angry posting doesn't change minds: well, for the most part, neither does facts or logic ;>
3. I had too many blogs up
4. I started using my Myspace blog to post on a normal basis
5. I ran out of energy and time several times over the last 4 years.

I think I will start mirroring the MySpace blog here, or at least the more politically oriented posts.

I need to make a serious effort not to be so abusive; this will be hard.
Ignorance pisses me off, and willful ignorance (the ability to not see a relevant fact, or to rationalize a fact away as a "Republican lie", simply because it would force a person to re-evaluate a belief) drives me batshit. I don't limit this to liberals, as I have gone off on rants on Christians, Jerry Jones, and people that believe that rap is music.

So, let's apply "willful ignorance" to myself a moment.
1. I get mad at someone's dumb opinion or act
2. I point out the stupidity of whatever the offending subject is.
3. I willfully ignore the FACT that people get stubborn when you call them stupid, no matter how cutely you apply the clue bat.
4. I willfully ignore the FACT that people rarely change their minds anyway, even if an objective and calm argument is agreed to. Emotion and "internal logics" will usually trump something that is obvious to everyone else. Note: I am not excluded from this.
5. I am then mad at something I can't change.

Maybe a little self-control would be in order. I will still rant, but the point of my blogging should be as an emotional outlet for anger, a semi-structured framework of my thinking over time, and as a place I can still laff at my own twisted humor.  ¶ 1:18 PM 0 comments

  Can democracy be installed at the end of an M1 tank? Not in 5 years, probably not in 10 years.

Are people willing to shed blood for a form of government that is different then their religous upbringing?

Hell, the assholes in THIS country aren't even willing to let OUR Marines and soldiers do their job for democracy, not to mention making a joke out of our political heritage with the fools we currently have running for Prez.

Not that George W. has fulfilled his promise either.

You dumbasses better be happy that there are enough people willing to risk their asses on your behalf. G*d only knows what would happen if the people this country spits on daily were to say fuck it and go home.

Maybe 20 years?

It took the Japs twenty years of peaceful occupation to figger it out.
The eurofools still don't understand the basic concept of liberty, and THEY have been voting for at least a century.

30 years?
The Middle East better hope not, because the cowards that make up the majority of voters here don't have that much heart.  ¶ 12:52 PM 0 comments

  Damn I should nae have deleted the whoremaster! I'm selling off my porn websites

Info here:
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  LGF post #52 #54 Short Fat Corporal 6/8/2004 08:13AM PST

Someone is going to explain to me how calling for "armed resistance in Iraq" is NOT treason.

My other big question is why it is not being prosecuted to the fullest extant of the law.

18 USC Sec. 2381
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES
Sec. 2381. Treason

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere..."

This law provides for the death of convicted traitors.

Legal Reference
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#74 Short Fat Corporal 6/8/2004 08:31AM PST

#57 Ed

I can't see any sane being standing up in court, and declaring that a person shooting at American soldiers is not an enemy of the United States.

Considering the wording of the Congressional resolution, an actual declaration of war is not necessary.

"Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40);"

Resolution

The legal framework is in place. This admin just needs to have the courage to defend the country against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
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#94 Short Fat Corporal 6/8/2004 08:54AM PST

Ahem, troll.

Treason is exactly the word that was used.

A link to the law was pasted.

If you can't read, STFU

Show me how advocating the killing of American soldiers is not adherence to our enemies, and I'll give the Semantic Player of the Year Award, which will shine brightly next to your tin foil hat.

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#146 Short fat Corporal 6/8/2004 10:21AM PST

Zachariah,

You ever thought about forwarding those specific types of photos ( calling for armed resistance, murder of U.S. officers, etc) to the Justice Dept?

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#189 Short Fat Corporal 6/8/2004 12:04PM PST

#157 Zachariah,

OK, I see your point.

For me tho, these people are just as much the enemy as the jihadis.

So when they do break the law, and I can't see that woman's sign as anything but treason, legally speaking, then I want the full weight of the law crashing down on them.

I don't call for the assasination of protestors, so when they call for the deaths of our troops, they need to be held accountable.

When their "civil disobedience" damages property, they need to be held accountable.

I have no problem with them exercising their rights, even tho I despise them for not exercising the responsibilities that go with those rights. The major cornerstone of responsible dissent is informed dissent.
These monkeys have no concept of rational thought, or of responsibility.

To conclude this rant, therefore, when they go past the line, I want them to be hammered on it. If we, as a society, have agreed on the rules of fair dissent and speech (as codified by law), then we as a society need to enforce what we have agreed upon.
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#202 Short Fat Corporal 6/8/2004 12:20PM PST

That's right, dhimmi.

Don't worry about enforcing the law.

Don't worry about killing those that want to kill you.

Don't worry about personal repsonsibility, or accountability.

Mother State will take care of it all for you, and Sergeant Shultz will be the long arm of her law.
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#250 Short Fat Corporal 6/8/2004 01:19PM PST

A legitimate response to my rant, of course, is that giving someone the death penalty for carrying a treasonous sign is unreasonable for that paticular crime. The death penalty should be reserved for the likes of the Rosenbergs, and Benedict Arnolds.

The other punishment is not less then 5 years in prison, and a fine of not less then $10000.

My view is that these people gloat over the death of those that protect them, they hide behind the freedoms that others have died for, and that they take no responsibility for their actions.

I do consider them the enemy, and as such, want them punished in unreasonably harsh, but legally justified ways.

Our government seems to react more in the mold of Zachariah, and (G*d Forbid!), Gordon.

The FBI opened an investigation in ANSWER's funding over two years ago, and didn't find anything the Fed's wanted to prosecute. There have been more then a few cases (exposed on this board) that the gov declined to pursue charges.

Perhaps the gov doesn't want to create another partisan battle, perhaps they don't want to use resources required to "get" protestors, and just maybe they don't feel this trash is dangerous.
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  LGF post #38 I might have already posted this
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#110 Short Fat Corporal 4/23/2004 09:28AM PST


Hail Pat Tillman
Army Ranger Pat Tillman died in combat in Afghanistan recently.

Cardinal's safety Pat Tillman gave up over a million dollars a year three years ago.

There were two, and only two articles I read about the bravery of this American after his enlistment outside of sporting media, and both articles , were, of course, in "right-wing" magazines.

Cardinal's safety Pat Tillman,who turned down a five-year, $9 million offer from the Rams out of loyalty to his team.

Army Ranger Pat Tillman, who was in his second combat duty in Afganistan, after have served in Iraq.

Football player Tillman, who refused to be red-shirted as a freshman. "You can do whatever you want with me," Tillman told his coach, "but in four years I'm gone. I've got things to do with my life."

American hero Pat Tillman, who lost his life defending Liberty.

G*d bless the Tillman family, and all servicemen and their families.

Hail Pat Tillman.  ¶ 6:04 AM 0 comments

  roadmap to peace The Avalon Project at Yale Law School
A Performance-Based Roadmap to a Permanent Two-State Solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict; April 30, 2003
Press Statement
Office of the Spokesman
Washington, DC
April 30, 2003
Performance-Based Roadmap to a Permanent Two-State Solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

The following is a performance-based and goal-driven roadmap, with clear phases, timelines, target dates, and benchmarks aiming at progress through reciprocal steps by the two parties in the political, security, economic, humanitarian, and institution-building fields, under the auspices of the Quartet [the United States, European Union, United Nations, and Russia]. The destination is a final and comprehensive settlement of the Israel-Palestinian conflict by 2005, as presented in President Bush’s speech of 24 June, and welcomed by the EU, Russia and the UN in the 16 July and 17 September Quartet Ministerial statements.

A two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will only be achieved through an end to violence and terrorism, when the Palestinian people have a leadership acting decisively against terror and willing and able to build a practicing democracy based on tolerance and liberty, and through Israel’s readiness to do what is necessary for a democratic Palestinian state to be established, and a clear, unambiguous acceptance by both parties of the goal of a negotiated settlement as described below. The Quartet will assist and facilitate implementation of the plan, starting in Phase I, including direct discussions between the parties as required. The plan establishes a realistic timeline for implementation. However, as a performance-based plan, progress will require and depend upon the good faith efforts of the parties, and their compliance with each of the obligations outlined below. Should the parties perform their obligations rapidly, progress within and through the phases may come sooner than indicated in the plan. Non-compliance with obligations will impede progress.

A settlement, negotiated between the parties, will result in the emergence of an independent, democratic, and viable Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with Israel and its other neighbors. The settlement will resolve the Israel-Palestinian conflict, and end the occupation that began in 1967, based on the foundations of the Madrid Conference, the principle of land for peace, UNSCRs 242, 338 and 1397, agreements previously reached by the parties, and the initiative of Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah – endorsed by the Beirut Arab League Summit – calling for acceptance of Israel as a neighbor living in peace and security, in the context of a comprehensive settlement. This initiative is a vital element of international efforts to promote a comprehensive peace on all tracks, including the Syrian-Israeli and Lebanese-Israeli tracks.

The Quartet will meet regularly at senior levels to evaluate the parties' performance on implementation of the plan. In each phase, the parties are expected to perform their obligations in parallel, unless otherwise indicated.

Phase I: Ending Terror And Violence, Normalizing Palestinian Life, and Building Palestinian Institutions -- Present to May 2003

In Phase I, the Palestinians immediately undertake an unconditional cessation of violence according to the steps outlined below; such action should be accompanied by supportive measures undertaken by Israel. Palestinians and Israelis resume security cooperation based on the Tenet work plan to end violence, terrorism, and incitement through restructured and effective Palestinian security services. Palestinians undertake comprehensive political reform in preparation for statehood, including drafting a Palestinian constitution, and free, fair and open elections upon the basis of those measures. Israel takes all necessary steps to help normalize Palestinian life. Israel withdraws from Palestinian areas occupied from September 28, 2000 and the two sides restore the status quo that existed at that time, as security performance and cooperation progress. Israel also freezes all settlement activity, consistent with the Mitchell report.

At the outset of Phase I:

Palestinian leadership issues unequivocal statement reiterating Israel’s right to exist in peace and security and calling for an immediate and unconditional ceasefire to end armed activity and all acts of violence against Israelis anywhere. All official Palestinian institutions end incitement against Israel.

Israeli leadership issues unequivocal statement affirming its commitment to the two-state vision of an independent, viable, sovereign Palestinian state living in peace and security alongside Israel, as expressed by President Bush, and calling for an immediate end to violence against Palestinians everywhere. All official Israeli institutions end incitement against Palestinians.

Security

Palestinians declare an unequivocal end to violence and terrorism and undertake visible efforts on the ground to arrest, disrupt, and restrain individuals and groups conducting and planning violent attacks on Israelis anywhere.

Rebuilt and refocused Palestinian Authority security apparatus begins sustained, targeted, and effective operations aimed at confronting all those engaged in terror and dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and infrastructure. This includes commencing confiscation of illegal weapons and consolidation of security authority, free of association with terror and corruption.

GOI takes no actions undermining trust, including deportations, attacks on civilians; confiscation and/or demolition of Palestinian homes and property, as a punitive measure or to facilitate Israeli construction; destruction of Palestinian institutions and infrastructure; and other measures specified in the Tenet work plan.

Relying on existing mechanisms and on-the-ground resources, Quartet representatives begin informal monitoring and consult with the parties on establishment of a formal monitoring mechanism and its implementation.

Implementation, as previously agreed, of U.S. rebuilding, training and resumed security cooperation plan in collaboration with outside oversight board (U.S.–Egypt–Jordan). Quartet support for efforts to achieve a lasting, comprehensive cease-fire.

All Palestinian security organizations are consolidated into three services reporting to an empowered Interior Minister.

Restructured/retrained Palestinian security forces and IDF counterparts progressively resume security cooperation and other undertakings in implementation of the Tenet work plan, including regular senior-level meetings, with the participation of U.S. security officials.

Arab states cut off public and private funding and all other forms of support for groups supporting and engaging in violence and terror.

All donors providing budgetary support for the Palestinians channel these funds through the Palestinian Ministry of Finance's Single Treasury Account.

As comprehensive security performance moves forward, IDF withdraws progressively from areas occupied since September 28, 2000 and the two sides restore the status quo that existed prior to September 28, 2000. Palestinian security forces redeploy to areas vacated by IDF.

Palestinian Institution-Building

Immediate action on credible process to produce draft constitution for Palestinian statehood. As rapidly as possible, constitutional committee circulates draft Palestinian constitution, based on strong parliamentary democracy and cabinet with empowered prime minister, for public comment/debate. Constitutional committee proposes draft document for submission after elections for approval by appropriate Palestinian institutions.

Appointment of interim prime minister or cabinet with empowered executive authority/decision-making body.

GOI fully facilitates travel of Palestinian officials for PLC and Cabinet sessions, internationally supervised security retraining, electoral and other reform activity, and other supportive measures related to the reform efforts.

Continued appointment of Palestinian ministers empowered to undertake fundamental reform. Completion of further steps to achieve genuine separation of powers, including any necessary Palestinian legal reforms for this purpose.

Establishment of independent Palestinian election commission. PLC reviews and revises election law.

Palestinian performance on judicial, administrative, and economic benchmarks, as established by the International Task Force on Palestinian Reform.

As early as possible, and based upon the above measures and in the context of open debate and transparent candidate selection/electoral campaign based on a free, multi-party process, Palestinians hold free, open, and fair elections.

GOI facilitates Task Force election assistance, registration of voters, movement of candidates and voting officials. Support for NGOs involved in the election process.

GOI reopens Palestinian Chamber of Commerce and other closed Palestinian institutions in East Jerusalem based on a commitment that these institutions operate strictly in accordance with prior agreements between the parties.

Humanitarian Response

Israel takes measures to improve the humanitarian situation. Israel and Palestinians implement in full all recommendations of the Bertini report to improve humanitarian conditions, lifting curfews and easing restrictions on movement of persons and goods, and allowing full, safe, and unfettered access of international and humanitarian personnel.

AHLC reviews the humanitarian situation and prospects for economic development in the West Bank and Gaza and launches a major donor assistance effort, including to the reform effort.

GOI and PA continue revenue clearance process and transfer of funds, including arrears, in accordance with agreed, transparent monitoring mechanism.

Civil Society

Continued donor support, including increased funding through PVOs/NGOs, for people to people programs, private sector development and civil society initiatives.

Settlements

GOI immediately dismantles settlement outposts erected since March 2001.

Consistent with the Mitchell Report, GOI freezes all settlement activity (including natural growth of settlements).

Phase II: Transition -- June 2003-December 2003

In the second phase, efforts are focused on the option of creating an independent Palestinian state with provisional borders and attributes of sovereignty, based on the new constitution, as a way station to a permanent status settlement. As has been noted, this goal can be achieved when the Palestinian people have a leadership acting decisively against terror, willing and able to build a practicing democracy based on tolerance and liberty. With such a leadership, reformed civil institutions and security structures, the Palestinians will have the active support of the Quartet and the broader international community in establishing an independent, viable, state.

Progress into Phase II will be based upon the consensus judgment of the Quartet of whether conditions are appropriate to proceed, taking into account performance of both parties. Furthering and sustaining efforts to normalize Palestinian lives and build Palestinian institutions, Phase II starts after Palestinian elections and ends with possible creation of an independent Palestinian state with provisional borders in 2003. Its primary goals are continued comprehensive security performance and effective security cooperation, continued normalization of Palestinian life and institution-building, further building on and sustaining of the goals outlined in Phase I, ratification of a democratic Palestinian constitution, formal establishment of office of prime minister, consolidation of political reform, and the creation of a Palestinian state with provisional borders.

International Conference: Convened by the Quartet, in consultation with the parties, immediately after the successful conclusion of Palestinian elections, to support Palestinian economic recovery and launch a process, leading to establishment of an independent Palestinian state with provisional borders.

Such a meeting would be inclusive, based on the goal of a comprehensive Middle East peace (including between Israel and Syria, and Israel and Lebanon), and based on the principles described in the preamble to this document.

Arab states restore pre-intifada links to Israel (trade offices, etc.).

Revival of multilateral engagement on issues including regional water resources, environment, economic development, refugees, and arms control issues.

New constitution for democratic, independent Palestinian state is finalized and approved by appropriate Palestinian institutions. Further elections, if required, should follow approval of the new constitution.

Empowered reform cabinet with office of prime minister formally established, consistent with draft constitution.

Continued comprehensive security performance, including effective security cooperation on the bases laid out in Phase I.

Creation of an independent Palestinian state with provisional borders through a process of Israeli-Palestinian engagement, launched by the international conference. As part of this process, implementation of prior agreements, to enhance maximum territorial contiguity, including further action on settlements in conjunction with establishment of a Palestinian state with provisional borders.

Enhanced international role in monitoring transition, with the active, sustained, and operational support of the Quartet.

Quartet members promote international recognition of Palestinian state, including possible UN membership.

Phase III: Permanent Status Agreement and End of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict -- 2004 – 2005

Progress into Phase III, based on consensus judgment of Quartet, and taking into account actions of both parties and Quartet monitoring. Phase III objectives are consolidation of reform and stabilization of Palestinian institutions, sustained, effective Palestinian security performance, and Israeli-Palestinian negotiations aimed at a permanent status agreement in 2005.

Second International Conference: Convened by Quartet, in consultation with the parties, at beginning of 2004 to endorse agreement reached on an independent Palestinian state with provisional borders and formally to launch a process with the active, sustained, and operational support of the Quartet, leading to a final, permanent status resolution in 2005, including on borders, Jerusalem, refugees, settlements; and, to support progress toward a comprehensive Middle East settlement between Israel and Lebanon and Israel and Syria, to be achieved as soon as possible.

Continued comprehensive, effective progress on the reform agenda laid out by the Task Force in preparation for final status agreement.

Continued sustained and effective security performance, and sustained, effective security cooperation on the bases laid out in Phase I.

International efforts to facilitate reform and stabilize Palestinian institutions and the Palestinian economy, in preparation for final status agreement.

Parties reach final and comprehensive permanent status agreement that ends the Israel-Palestinian conflict in 2005, through a settlement negotiated between the parties based on UNSCR 242, 338, and 1397, that ends the occupation that began in 1967, and includes an agreed, just, fair, and realistic solution to the refugee issue, and a negotiated resolution on the status of Jerusalem that takes into account the political and religious concerns of both sides, and protects the religious interests of Jews, Christians, and Muslims worldwide, and fulfills the vision of two states, Israel and sovereign, independent, democratic and viable Palestine, living side-by-side in peace and security.

Arab state acceptance of full normal relations with Israel and security for all the states of the region in the context of a comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace.

[End]

The document is located at this URL : http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/roadmap.htm.  ¶ 11:58 AM 0 comments

  LGF post #37 #362 Short Fat Corporal 9/2/2004 09:40AM PST


evariste,

Even if you enlist, you might experience the feeling of "missing out".

During Desert Storm, I was sitting with my combat MOS (0313 - LAV Crewman) in the Phillipines. Pretty ladies, beautiful country, and extremely drinkable liqour made the days nice, but I thought I was still "missing out". Half our company volunteered to go to the Gulf, but the command decision had already been made, and we did like good Marines do when given an order.

So if you join, combat or support MOS, you might find yourself doing what you think is unglamorous, or not what you decide is a contribution anyway.

That having been said, I hope you join up. I had more fun in the Corps then I did in college, and definetely take more pride in my service then my degree.
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#365 Short Fat Corporal 9/2/2004 10:12AM PST


Colt,

Well, the Phillipines had their good points ;>
I also got to go to Japan during my term, and that was pretty good, too!

In the IDF, be prepared to deal with people you will literally want to shoot, but will have to treat professionally, like the ISM trash. Keep your cool and you just might win a heart and mind.

Manning a checkpoint won't be as glorious as commanding a tank roaring through the desert to Damascus, but still very necessary.

BTW, have you a specialty pref?

I don't consider Israel to be an American colony, but probably the best ally the U.S. has (or maybe a tie w/ Australia), so it's almost as good as joining the Corps, lol.
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#368 Short Fat Corporal 9/2/2004 10:40AM PST


And in the IDF, you'll NEVER have to serve under a NATO or UN clusterfuck :>

If you are combat minded, try to get into Armor. I had enlisted as an infantryman, so, when as a short and fat private, I was afforded the chance to get into LAV's, I jumped at the chance to avoid those damn marches (which didn't work - Marine officers like to march - I think they have all read "Battle Cry"!).

I don't know how the IDF stuctures it's armored forces, but arguments about the concepts of Armor vs Moblie Infantry vs Cavalry are always make an interesting discussion.

Plus, riding beats the shit out of walking ;>
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#370 Short Fat Corporal 9/2/2004 11:03AM PST


Colt,

The Marine Corps word for march is "hump", and means full gear at a pretty good clip.

A nice half day march ran about 8 miles, a full day would be 25, and if your skipper wanted bragging rights over the next CO, 50 miles wasn't unheard of.

Short people go at the end of the line. I probably ran most of the way keeping up, lol.

I'm out of here for the day. Good luck to you and evariste on your decisions!  ¶ 5:58 AM 0 comments

  cbs4boston.com - Jury Clears Lawrence Marine In Crowd Shooting cbs4boston.com - Jury Clears Lawrence Marine In Crowd Shooting  ¶ 1:05 PM 0 comments

  Worth a read

The lights are about to go out, and we’ll do nothing to stop it. We’ve thrown out history, refusing to learn from it because it doesn’t fit with the la-la fantasy world that we’ve spent four decades creating for ourselves.

We’ve lost the will and ability to fight because of willful ignorance and, like all such idiots who went before us, we will reap the just rewards for it. It’s just a matter of time now. Five years now since 9/11 and we have learned nothing. Five years now and we are as ignorant of the real world in which we live and the true face of our enemy as we were on 9/10. We’ve neutered ourselves with our political correctness and refusal to do what needs to be done because it isn’t “nice.”

We’ve deluded ourselves into thinking that there can be peace without a victory, that thousands of years of the history of warfare are irrelevant, that we somehow know better than every single soul that ever went to war before us, that we are the very pinnacle of human development, the Chosen Ones who hold the secret to everything.

When, in fact, we are like infants crawling around among a pack of starving wolves, thinking that if we somehow goo-goo and ga-ga with sufficient baby cuteness at them they’ll leave us alone.

Read this, and read the links  ¶ 8:02 AM 0 comments

  Lying sack of shit murtha - Laying sack of shit LA Times Patterico’s Pontifications » Hagee’s Office Responds: Contradicts L.A. Times: "Hagee’s Office Responds: Contradicts L.A. Times
Filed under: General, Dog Trainer — Patterico @ 12:01 am

I heard back from General Hagee’s office yesterday regarding my inquiry about when Gen. Hagee briefed John Murtha about Haditha. The bottom line: Gen. Hagee’s office has directly contradicted an assertion by the L.A. Times that Gen. Hagee briefed John Murtha on Haditha before Murtha accused Marines of killing civilians in cold blood. Gen. Hagee’s office confirmed to me that the General’s first briefing to Murtha took place a week after Murtha had already made his public accusations."  ¶ 8:21 PM 0 comments

  Darkhorse Marines Find, Capture Jill Carroll's Kidnappers Darkhorse Marines Find, Capture Jill Carroll's Kidnappers: "Marines captured four members of an insurgent kidnapping cell responsible for the kidnapping of American journalist Jill Carroll of the Christian Science Monitor.

Marines of L Company, 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment captured and detained three members May 19, in a small village west of Fallujah. A fourth member of the same kidnapping cell was detained later by Marines of 1st Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment."  ¶ 6:15 PM 0 comments

  Congressman makes apology to Haditha marines | Politics News | Reuters.com Congressman makes apology to Haditha marines | Politics News | Reuters.com: "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. lawmaker apologized on Tuesday to U.S. Marines under investigation in the deaths of two dozen Iraqi civilians in Haditha in a statement his office said spared him from a libel lawsuit.

Minnesota Republican Rep. John Kline, a retired Marine Corps colonel, issued a three-paragraph statement under a deal with lawyers for Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich, one of the Marines under investigation.

Wuterich's lawyers filed a libel lawsuit against another congressman, Democratic Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania, on August 2 following his comments on the case.

'Some news outlets have promoted incomplete statements attributed to me that gave the false impression that I have concluded those involved committed unlawful acts,' Kline said in the statement provided by his office."
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Now it's time for the piece of shit murtha to admit he jumped the gun on this for the purpose of his political bullshit. That fucking disgrace knew this was a BS issue, but he had to hurt the Marine Corps, in order to "prove" the war is wrong.

I do not consider murtha to have ever benn a Marine.  ¶ 5:26 PM 0 comments

  BLACKFIVE: On the Virtues of Killing Children BLACKFIVE: On the Virtues of Killing Children

I can't comment on this. A disgusting title, but a compelling read.

And the brutality of the the title is necessary, if you understand the article.  ¶ 4:40 PM 0 comments

  Informed Dissent blog.myspace.com/stevedisme:
"Aint found a way to kill me yet
Eyes burn with stinging sweat
Seems every path leads me to nowhere
Wife and kids household pet
Army green was no safe bet
The bullets scream to me from somewhere

Here they come to snuff the rooster
Yeah here come the rooster, yeah
You know he aint gonna die
No, no, no, ya know he aint gonna die

Walkin tall machine gun man
They spit on me in my home land
Gloria sent me pictures of my boy
Got my pills gainst mosquito death
My buddys breathin his dyin breath
Oh God please wont you help me make it through

Here they come to snuff the rooster
Yeah here come the rooster, yeah
You know he aint gonna die
No, no, no ya know he aint gonna die
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Damn that's a good song. I never saw the elephant tho. Volunteered for infantry, got into what was basically calvalry (0313 - Light Armored Vehicle crewman). Spent 2/3 of my term overseas, hell I VOLUNTEERED to go overseas everytime a float was being organized. I went from A co to B. co back to A co. I spent the whole of Gulf War 1 in the PI. I got combat pay, but the commies never wanted to play ball. I missed Panama too.

So I never was in combat. Closest I ever came to gettin shot was training exercises. There some funny stories there. Later tho.

When I was younger, it used to bother me. We were safe in the land of cheap booze and chaeper whores while every other line company, including the reservists, went to war. Now it doesn't bother me so much. I think it used to bother me coz I tried to go back in twice (once during Somalia, and once after 9/11) and couldn't. Now I realize that I am too old slow and sloppy to be combat effective. I did my duty, and I'm lucky that I never got shot or crippled, or even put in the position it might have happened.

I'm still a warmonger, thoug"  ¶ 6:45 AM 0 comments

  Riehl World View: More MSM Propaganda Exposed Riehl World View: More MSM Propaganda Exposed

Yet another mediot lie  ¶ 11:13 AM 0 comments

  Hezbollah firing missiles from Qana (Lebanon) neighborhoods

GODDAMN MEDIA LIARS will not show this vid of Hezbollah firing missles from Qana  ¶ 11:06 AM 0 comments

  Hezbollah Video Dating Service
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  USMC sniper metes out swift death in Iraq - Yahoo! News USMC sniper metes out swift death in Iraq - Yahoo! News: "RAMADI, Iraq - He was 5 when he first fired an M-16, his father holding him to brace against the recoil. At 17 he enlisted in the Marine Corps, spurred by the memory of 9/11. Now, 21-year-old Galen Wilson has 20 confirmed kills in four months in
Iraq — and another 40 shots that probably killed insurgents. One afternoon the lance corporal downed a man hauling a grenade launcher five-and-a-half football fields away.

Wilson is the designated marksman in a company of Marines based in downtown Ramadi, watching over what Marines call the most dangerous neighborhood in the most dangerous city in the world.

Here, Sunni Arab insurgents are intent on toppling the local government protected by Marines.

More at the link

Wilson, 5-foot-6 with a soft face, is married and has two children and speaks in a deep, steady monotone.

After two tours in Iraq, his commanders in the 3rd Battalion, 8th Regiment call him a particularly mature Marine, always collected and given to an occasional wry grin.

His composure is regularly tested. Swaths of central and southern Ramadi, 70 miles west of Baghdad, are dominated by insurgents who regularly attack the provincial government headquarters that Marines protect.

During a large-scale attack on Easter Sunday, Wilson says, he spotted six gunmen on a rooftop about 400 yards away. In about 8 seconds he squeezed off five rounds — hitting five gunmen in the head. The sixth man dived off a 3-story building just as Wilson got him in his sights, and counts as a probable death.

'You could tell he didn't know where it was coming from. He just wanted to get away,' Wilson said. Later that day, he said, he killed another insurgent.

Wilson says his skill helps save American troops and Iraqi civilians."  ¶ 6:41 PM 0 comments